Wed Jun 7 14:37:52 1995 ------------------------- To parakatw to esteila sthn Eley9erotypia. Apo oti mou eipan 9a dhmosieytei thn Kyriakh 11-Iouniou sto eswkleisto periodiko "INFO" kai den mou edwsan ka9olou xrono na to polyskeftw. Qa einai se mia sthlh pou afora to stratiwtiko. Epi ths eykairias gia na grapsw gia th stratiwtikh selida, 9ewrhsa na grapsw kai dyo paragrafous gia thn istoria ths HELLAS_Web kai na anagnwris9oun kapws kai ta onomata olwn twn synergatwn mas. To ar9ro einai poly megalo kai den exw idea ti 9a perasei sto teliko "edit" ths efhmeridas. Mou zhthse akomh kai ena biografiko mou to opoio to exw steilei kai ayto. Eyxarhsth9eite diabasma, kai mh me parete me tis lemonokoupes :-)) Thanos =======ARXH tou ARQROU======== -------O Xrhstos Mplekas (Eley9erotypia) grafei: Parakaloume poly na mas steilete mesw mail orismenes plhrofories sxetika me thn Web Page pou exete ftia3ei gia ton Ellhniko Strato.... giati theloume na kanoume reportaz gia thn douleia sas sto thema tou Stratou. Ektos twn prohgoumenwn, theloume kai apanthsh stis parakatw erwthseis: - Pws anelabes mia tetoia prwtoboulia - Posoi Ellhnes exoun antapokrithei mexri twra - Pws antimetwpizetai to thema apo to YETHA (ean bebaia to gnwrizei...) - Poia diadikasia akoloutheis gia thn syllogh twn plhroforiwn kai twn apanthsewn - Ean o idios exeis paei fantaros (ean nai, pou yphrethses kai ti "seira" eisai) - Ean tha xarakthrizes th selida ayth ws mia hlektronikh ekdoxh ths sthlhs "Fantare pou Pas? " Kai genika, grapse o,ti thewreis skopimo gia thn kalyterh plhroforhsh mas. ---------------------- O Thanos Voudouris apantaei: Arxikws 9elw na eyxaristhsw ton Xrhsto Mpleta gia th timh pou mou kanei me thn angnwrhsi twn prwspa9eiwn mou ston xwro tou internet. Elpizw h synergasia ayth na einai mia arxh gia thn enhmerwsh tou koinou kai idiaitera gia thn boh9eia tou Ellhnismou ths diasporas Qa apanthsw twra stis parapanw erwthseis sou... Gia na parw ta pragmata apo thn arxh, prepei na pw dyo logia gia th dimiourgia ths HELLAS_Web istoselidas (http://velox.stanford.edu/hellas). Ton Ioulio/Aygousto tou 1994, poly ligoi h3eran apo internet World Wide Web istoselides. Mesw ths Hellas_List pou einai ena meson ennhmerwsews kai syzhthsewn olwn twn Ellhnwn idiws ths diasporas, "gnwris9hkame" mesw e-mail, o Kostas Anagnostakis, kai Dhmhtrhs Kontoudhs apo thn Krhth, o Stefanos Sidiropoulos apo to Stanford sth California pou einai PhD ma9hths sta hlektronika, o Giwrgos Vassiliou apo Washington DC, pou doulevei kai ekeinos se ena allo meros ths NASAs, kai egw. Analabame loipon, na ftia3oume thn HELLAS_Web me skopo na diadwsoume perissotero thn ypar3i ths listas syzhtesews Hellas_List, na prosferoume enhmerwtika stoixeia stous Ellhnes ths diasporas, kai genikwtera na probaloume to Ellhniko stoixeio ston ypoloipo kosmo tou internet. Meta apo antalagh ekatontadwn e-mails kai xwris na gnwrizoume o enas ton allon proswpikws, stis 22 Septembriou tou 1994, anakoinwsame thn ypar3h ths HELLAS_Web. Shmera, ayth h selida einai apo tis poio polyepiskeptomenes selides twn Ellhnwn ana ton kosmo. Panw apo 80.000 prosbaseis mexri shmera symfwna me ta statistika stoixeia, kai twra exoume anw twn 600 prosbasewn hmerhsiws! Meta thn arxikh anakoinwsi ths istoselidas, basika egw kai o Stefanos synexisame to ergo na krathsoume th selida panta ananewmenh me ta teleiwtera nea kai plhrofories. O Stefanos exei analabei to computer server, afou xrhsimopoioume to mhxanhma pou exei sto grafeio tou sto panephsthmio tou Stanford, kai egw exw analabei thn synthrish ths selidas opou kai kanw sxedon ka9hmerinws ananewseis ma nea kai plhroforeies pou aforoun ton Ellhnismo. Akomh arketoi alloi Ellhnes prosferoun boh9eia me to na mou stelnoun plhrofories pou 9ewrountai katalhles gia thh selida. Paradeigna einai o Pantelis Topalis apo thn Krhth, pou ka9e Kyriakh exei analabei na kanei scan/digitize ta comics tou KYR kai ARKAS apo thn Kyriakatikh Eley9erotypia. Labainoume dekades eyxaristhria e-mails, pou dinoume thn eykairia stous Ellhnes se olo ton kosmo na blepoun kai na diabazoun ayta ta dyo comics mesw ths istoselidas mas tou internet. Edw 9elw na eyxaristhsw tous syntaktes twn dyo aytwn wraiwn comics. Isws mia mera grapsoun kai gia the HELLA_Web. Ayth th stigmh exoume kai dyo allous synergates pou exoun analabei ta antanaklastika mhxanhmata ths HELLAS_Web sthn Agglia kai Krhth. O Theoharis Michailidis sthn Agglia, kai o Panayiotis Tzounakis sthn Krhth kratoun ananewmena ta mhxanhmata tous na symbadizoun me to "master" mhxanhma apo to Stanford. O skopos mas twra einai akomh megalyteros mia kai poloi perissoteroi episkeptontai th selida. Akomh prospa9oume na probaloume oso mporoume thn Ellada san to kalytero meros tou kosmou. Labainoume dekades mails ka9hmerinws me olwn twn eidwn tis erwthseis kai ypodei3eis. Sto telos tou Ianouariou tou 1995, ep'eykairia mias synenteuksews tou Ger. Arseni, sthn efhmerida Ta NEA, dimiourgh9hke mia megalh syzhtysi sth Hellas_List gia to stratiwtiko 9ema. Opws einai fysiko, ayto to 9ema epireazei tous perissoterous pou labainoun meros stis syzhthseis mesw tou internet mia kai synh9ws einai ma9htes se diafora panephstimia tou kosmou kai me anaboles ths stratiwthkhs tous 9eteias. H dimiourgeia enos FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) 9ewrh9hke poly endiaferousa me 9ema to Stratiwtiko. Shmeiwteon einai oti tetoia FAQ yparxoun pantou sto internet gia ka9e idous pragmata. Ayto ginetai dioti opoios "neos xrhsths tou internet" mpainei se ena peribalon syzhthsewn exei panta tis idieas erwthseis gia to pws kai ti kai pou, me kapoion allon pou hl9e nwritera. Opote ayta ta legomena FAQ periexoun oles tis erwthseis pou alloi exoun kanei sto parel9on kai oi apanthseis exoun eidh dw9ei. Etsi o ka9e "neos" prin na kanei thn erwthsi tou gia kati pou ton apasxolei, koitazei to FAQ na dei an sth erwthsi tou exei dw9ei koiolas mia apanthsi. An oxi, ypobalei thn erwthsi tou, kai otan labei thn apanthsi apo allous pou 3eroun, tote ayto to neo stoixeio prosth9etai sto FAQ. Ayta ta FAQ opws blepoume paizoun spoudaio sthn enhmerwsh olwn mas. Etsi loipon, me ta grammata pou labainw mesw ths HELLAS_web hl9a se epafh me antiprwsopo tou Grafeiou Tupou tou Ellhnikou Pro3eneiou ths Ottabas ston Canada. To Grafeio Tupou exei thn kalh 9elhsi na boh9hsei sthn dhmiourgia enos FAQ gia stratiwtika 9emata. Skefthka loipon na kanw mia anakoinwsi sto internet me skopo na mazepsw stratiwtikes erwthseis, na tis prow9hsw sto Grafeio Typou kai apo ekei 9a estalontan sthn Ellada gia na laboume engyres apanthseis apo tous ypey9ynous tou stratiwtikou. Esteila loipon ena mhnhma legontas: " Parakalw steilte mou oti erwthseis exete pou sas apasxoloun epi tou stratiwtikou 9ematos kai 9a tis mazepsw oles na tis prow9hsw sto Grafeio Typou pou se synergasia me armodious foreis tns Elladas tha etoimasoun eidiko paketo apantisewn gia ta paidia tou internet." Epeshmana akomh oti: "MONO oi erwthseis 9a staloun apo emena, xwris anafora onomatwn gia na yparxei exemy9ia." H hmeromhnia lh3ews gia th kata9esi erwthsewn htan h Kyriakh 12 Febrouariou 1995. Edhmiourghsa loipon mia istoselida (http://velox.stanford.edu/hellas/mailTo_army.html) gia ayton ton skopo sthn opoia yphrxe kai ena mail programma gia na mporei kapoios na mou steilei gramma mesw ths istoselidas. Elaba para polla e-mails se diafora stratiwtikou endiaferontos keimena. Anw twn 50 erwthsewn 9ewrh9hkan katalhles na staloun stous armodious gia apanthseis. Opoios egrafe, tou edeina enan ari9mo pou htan atistoixos gia thn erwthsi tou gia na mhn yparxei to onama. Etsi oles oi erwthseis einai ari9mhsmenes. Otan hl9e h hmeromhnia na steilw tis erwthseis, dhmosieysa to keimeno pou einai meros ths istoselidas tou stratou kai einai sto telos ths epistolhs mou. Mazi me ayto exw balei kai liges apo tis erwthseis, mono gia deigma gia na enhmerw9oume ti eidos erwthseis o ka9e enas exei sto 9ema tou stratiwtikou. Teleiwnontas, 9elw na shmeiwsw oti akomh kai ayth th stigmh synexizw na labainw stratiwtikes erwthseis apo polous. Dysthxws, tous apantaw oti den mporw pleon na kanw tipota dioti oi erwthseis exoun stalei sthn Ellada. Pali lew, oti egw kai oloi ekeinoi pou esteilan tis erwthseis eimaste TELEIWS dysaresthmenoi me thn adiaforia twn armodiwn tou stratou. Ayto dioti exoun perasei tessereis oloklhroi mhnes kai den exoume labei oute thn paramikrh eidhsi apo apanthseis! Qelw na pistevw oti ayto to ar9ro mou pou dhmosieyetai sthn Eley9erotypia 9a to steilete episeis kai stous armodious tou stratou gia na kinh9ei prosoxh tous. Einai poly symantiko na mporesoume na prosferoume mia boh9eia se ollous tous filous Ellhnes pou exoun tosa problhmata me to stratiwtiko 9ema. Ayto einai kai to megalo kinhtro pisw apo thn prospa9eia ayth. An kataferoume tous armodious na ftia3oun ena "ON-LINE" e-mail service gia erwthseis/apanthseis ypey9ynes, ayto 9a einai to MEGALITERO epiteugma mas! Prosferw thn boh9eia mou stous armodious tou stratou gia na ginei ayto pragmatikoths. Eimai sigouros oti h evergethsis tou Ellhnismou 9a einai aperioristh an epiteyx9ei ayto to ON-LINE service. Xrhsto, Eyxaristw poly pou mou edwses thn eykairia na ferw sto fws kai sth dhmosiothta to sobaro ayto 9ema pou apasxolei ekatontades kai isws xiliades Ellhnes. Elpizw na broume thn analogh antapokrhsi. Akolou9ei to keimeno akribws opws estalei stous armodious, kai dhmosiey9hke sth Hellas_List, and soc.culture.greek newsgroups stis 13-Feb-95. Erwthseis afhsa mono liges gia deigma. Parakalw dhmosieste kai ayto to keimeno san meros tou ar9rou mou. Xairetw, Thanos Voudouris ________________________________________________ ERWTHSEIS Proswpikou Stratiwtikou Endiaferontos Gia osous dei3ate endiaferon gia to STRATIWTIKO 9ema, parakalw diabaste. Epi pros9etws, olo ayto to mail exei topo9eth9h kai sth "Stratiwtikh" selida sto HELLAS_Web. Periexomena: A. Genika, pws pragmatopoih9hke ayth h energeia. B. Anoikto gramma pros tous ypey9ynous C. Proswpikes erwthseis A. GENIKA ----------------- Exw labei dekades erwthseis kai 3odepsa poly xrono gia aythn thn ypo9esi. Pistevw na bgh se kati kalo gia olous pou exoun problhmata me to stratiwtiko 9ema. Sas grafw loipon genika ti synebei tis teleytaies dyo-tris ebdomades. Me ta grammata pou labainoume mesw tou HELLAS_WWW, hl9ame se epafh me antiprwsopo tou Grafeiou Tupou Ottabas. To Grafeio Tupou exei thn kalh 9elhsi na dhmiourgh9h ena FAQ gia stratiwtika 9emata me engyres apanthseis. Etsi mazepsa oles tis erwthseis kai prow9h9ountai se armodious foreis tns Ellados oi opoioi tha etoimasoun eidiko paketo apanthsewn gia ta paidia tou InterNet. Qelw na epishmanw, oti ayth h prospa9eia einai gia dhmiourgia stratiwtikou FAQ kai fysika na paroume ameses apanthseis se ola ta erwthmata pou katete9etontai parakatw. Einai loipon gia PROSWPIKA stratiwtika 9emata yphresias/lypota3ias klp kai OXI gia stratiwtika 9emato apo pleyras Ellhnikhs E9nikhs Amynhs. H ypo9esi einai oti ayto pou anelaba na kanw egw, eprepe kanonika na to kanei kapios armodios. Den 9a yphrxe kalytero pragma ston kosmo, an eixame ena e-mail address pou kapios armodios apo to kratos 9a edeine engyres kai grhgores apanthseis se tetoia proswpika 9emata. Arxisa me to na prospa9hsw na prosferw mia boh9eia kai katalh3a na me bombardizoun me ena swro parapona kai ypodei3eis (oxi se mena) pros tous stratiwtikous ypey9ynous. Exw aporipsei polla mails dioti denta brhka swsta gia to ti prospa9oume na kanoume. Sygnwmh gia ayto, oxi oti symfonw 'h diafonw me ayta pou grafate alla aplws einai e3w apo ta oria to ti prospa9oume na kanoume. Genika ta mails ta xwrisa se tris kathgories: 1. Ayta pou htan proswpikes erwthseis (sta genika) einai kai sth list pou 9a staloun. 2. alla pou elegan se genika 9emata gia ton strato kai poso prolhptiko einai gia thn oikogeneia, stadiodromia, epanapatrismo klp. 3. Erwthseis gia Isoropia dynamewn sto Aigaio, polemiko yliko, yfalokripides, 12 milia, klp. To (1) apotelei oles tis parakatw erwthseis. Opws hl9an se emena ta mails, ta kate9esa. To (2) einai proswpikes gnwmes tou ka9enos kai oxi erwthseis. Swstes 'h lan9asmenes, o ka9e enas exei thn gnwmh tou. H ypo9esh omws einai "ti leei o nomos" gia thn ka9e eidikh periptwsi tou ka9enos. Ayto to 9ema (2) mporei na syzhth9h alou. To (3) aforei Ellhnika e9nika 9emata pou kai na 9elame den 9a eixame apanthsi. Sta dyo teleytaia sas apanthsa me proswpiko, kai merikoi mou steilate allo mhnhma me proswpikes sas erwthseis. Symperasmata: 1. Apo ta tosa polla mails pou elaba, deixnei oti to stratiwtiko einai ena sobaro 9ema pou apasxolei polous Ellhnes tou e3wterikou, kai krataei episthmones kai mh, makria apo thn patrida. 2. Den yparxoun safeis, engyres apofaseis kai kanonoismoi pou na einai eykola prosytoi na tous doun oloi. Giati? den 3erw! 3. Ayto to FAQ pou 9a prokhpsh, mazi me alles apanthseis pou oi ypey9ynoi 9ewrhsoun kataleles, isws na ginei ena fyladio gia eykolh xrhsi apo olous. 4. Qa prospa9hsw na kanw energeia gia na mph kapios ypey9ynos kai na apantaei kat'ey9eian se stratiwtika 9emata. Dhladh na kanoume set- up ena e-mail address gia ayton ton skopo kai etsi oi apanthseis na einai engyres kai grhgores. 5. Isws akomh kai mporesoume kai kanoume set-up ena "official Web site" gia genika 9emata tou Ellhnismou. Kalh tyxh se olous pou kate9esan erwthseis. Qa sas karthsw olous enhmerous, mesw ths listas gia thn proodo oso afora tis erwthseis sas. Pistevw na exoume grhgora apanthseis. *** Ta parakatw enai akribws antigrafa apo mail pou elaba. Egw aplws hmoun o mesazontas gia th prow9hsi olwn twn erwthsewn stous armodious. Egw kai ta paidia pou exoume analabei th synthrhsi tou HELLAS_Web prospa9oume na prosferoume tis yphresies mas stis anagkes tou Ellhnismou ths diasporas. **** B. ANOIKTO GRAMMA (opws syntax9ei apo melh the Hellas_List) ------------------------------------ Autn tn stigmn uparxouv xiliades avpotaktoi sto e3wteriko twv opoiwv to movo adiknma eivai pws prospa0ouv va teleiwsouv to didaktoriko tous. Ta voumera eivai adiayeusta. Polutexveio = 5 xrovia Master = 2 xrovia Didaktoriko = 4 xrovia Suvolo =11 xrovia Auta eivai ta voumera gia tis Hvwmeves Politeies stnv kalutern periptwsn. Snmera o vomos problepei pws "osoi diaprepouv se epistnmovikes ergasies kai ereuves" 'n osoi "epitelouv ergo e0vikns snmasias (!) Xiliades Ellnves stelvouv ta xartia tous gia va diabastouv apo av0rwpous pou dev mporouv va apofav0ouv gia tnv snmasia tous kai ta aporiptouv mazika dixws va divouv KAMMIA aitiolognsn sxetika me pio kommati tou vomou parabiazouv! Ma0nmatika to Ypourgeio Amuvas odngnse kai odngei stnv avupota3ia xiliades Ellnves oi opoioi exouv suvagwvistei sklnra me tous kaluterous gia va kerdisouv mia 0esn sta kalutera ekpaideutika idrumata tou kosmou. Oi Ellnves autoi DEN 0elouv va apallagouv apo tov strato. 0ELOYN aplws va oloklnrwsouv tis spoudes tous kai va epistreyouv me to kefali ynla gia va upnretnsouv tnv patrida tous ev stoln alla kai meta to telos tns 0nteias sav epistnmoves. Oi xiliades Ellnves avupotaktoi sto e3wteriko DEN mporouv va kleisouv dromous kai va kavouv katalnyeis dnmosiwv ktiriwv. Isws gia touto kai va tous apogoreuetai va douv tous nlikiwmevous goveis tous, isws gia auto tous apagoreuetai va douv tous agapnmevous pou afnsav pisw stnv patrida. Tous epitrepetai parado3ws va ynfisouv se e0vikes ekloges (ekei pou metriouvtai ta koukia ...) To erwtnma pou kaleitai va apavtnsei n ngesia twv evoplwv duvamewv stnv Ellada eivai zntnma dikaiosuvns kai zntnma e0vikns asfaleias: 1) Sto ovoma poias dikaiosuvns exei katadikastei se e3oria eva kommati tns Ellnvikns veolaias epeidn aplws epi0umei me dikous tou kopous kai mox0ous va spoudasei kai meta va oloklnrwsei tis stratiwtikes tou upoxrewseis stnv patrida; Sto ovoma poias dikaiosuvns xiliades paidia dev mporouv oute kav va douv tous arrwstous goveis tous; 2) To zntnma tns E0vikns asfaleias eivai snmera akoma pio poluploko apo to posoi kratave eva M1 oplo sta xeria tous se mia skopia kai ka0arizovtas patates. Exei va kavei me tnv ikavotnta mias xwras va avptu3ei kai va upostnri3ei vees texvologies oi opoies 0a brouv efarmogn sta oplika sustnmata, alla akoma perissotero 0a mporesouv va bon0nsouv stnv avtagwvistikotnta mias xwras stov oikovomiko tomea. H Tourkia perusi movo, edwse 7,000 upotrofies, plnrws kaluptwvtas didaktra kai e3oda diabiwsns, ta opoia ftavouv me tis pio suvtnrntikes ektimnseis ta 15.000 dollaria dnladn snmerives 3.750.000 draxmes ava etos gia ola ta etn twv metaptuxiakwv spoudwv. To Ellnviko Ypourgeio Amuvas kalei tous Ellnves didaktorikous foitntes kai mellovtikous epistnmoves oi opoioi dev sterouv oti mia draxmn apo tov kratiko proupologismo, alla avti0etws lambavouv gvwseis "uyistns e0vikns snmasias" (gia va xrnsimopoinsw kai to gramma tou vomou) va peta3ouv sta skoupidia tnv epevdusn gia to mellov tns xwras. Prokaloume to Ypourgeio Amuvas va ar0ei pavw apo to katesthmeno kai va dwsei mia evtimn apavtnsn avalmbavovtas tnv eu0uvn twv suvepeiwv. C. ERWTHSEIS (mono ena deigma einai edw) -------------------------------------------------------------- #1------------------------------------------------------------------ Eimai 29 xronwn (9/65) kai gennithika stis HPA apo Ellhnes goneis (o pateras mou htan hdh Amerikanos poliths otan gennithika egw kai h mhtera mou egine Amerikanida poliths dyo xronia meta). H erwthsh einai: poso kairo tha paw fantaros ean paw Ellada kai ti prepei na kanw gia na kanwnisw auto to zhthma; Ti xartia xreiazontai apo tis proxenikes arxes, klp. To problhma pou exw einai oti exw akousei polles kai diaforetikes apantiseis se auto to erwtima apo diafores epishmes kai anepishmes Ellhnikes phges. Pia einai h alhtheia; #2------------------------------------------------------------------ An kapoios exei upiretisei se summaxiko strato, kai tautoxronws einai KAI metanastis (Green card, upikootita,klp.), einai upoxrewmenos na upiretisei kai ti mama Ellada? #3------------------------------------------------------------------ Poies diadikasies yparxoun gia na parei kapoios exemption ws diaprepeis episthmonas? #4------------------------------------------------------------------ Ego exo genh8ei edo sthn amerikh apo ellhnes goneis.Exo amerikanikh ypoikothta,amerikaniko diabathrio kai ola ta synafh. Efuga apo edo otan hmoun 6 kai gyrisa 18.Sthn ellada den mou afhnan oute diploma na bgalo epeidei den eixa ellhnikhh tautothta(ari8mo mhtroou) Me liga logia den eimai gramenos pou8ena sthn ellada kai eidika statologia.Na shmio8ei oti epeidei eixa problhma gia na bgo apo thn ellada giati den eixa oute adeiaparamonhs phra xarti apo thn stratologia pou elege oti den eimai gramenos sta mhtroa arenon.Ti ginetai sthn periptosh mou otan 8elhso na guriso ellada gia diakopes alla kai gia panta;;; #5------------------------------------------------------------------ Se dyo mines parousiazomai Ellada gia fantaros kai tha ektimousa apanthseis stis exeis erwthseis: 1) Poia i metaxeirhsh atomwn me didaktorika sto strato (sthn diki mou periptwsh didaktoriko se theoritikh physikh)? Pairnoun antistoixes eidikothtes i to didaktoriko ousiastika agnohtai? Teleutaia akousa oti ta pragmata exoun allaxei pros to kalitero sto thema auto. Einai alitheia? 2) Posh thiteia ypiretoun atoma me ena paidi? Prepei to paidi na einai dilwmeno sthn Ellada i arkei to metafrasmeno sto proxenio pistopoihtiko genisews? Ti energeis prepei na kanw sxetika me to thema auto prin parousiastw? Einai meiwmenes oi adeies kai genika poia i metaxeirish atomwn pou ypiretoun meiwmenh thiteia? #6------------------------------------------------------------------ Vasika ehw 2 erwtiseis gia stratiwtikhs thitias : (i) Prosfata (Dekemvrios 1994) anakoinwthike oti osi einai monimoi katikoi exwterikou kai ehoun genithi meta to 1969 (an thimame kala) tha ipiretisoun 6 mhnes. Ithela na rwtisw pios theorite monimos katikos exwterikou. Einai monos aftos pou ehei green card i mipos kai osi ehoun visa ergasias (p.h. J1). Epishs an a kapoios ezise kapoio hroniko diasthma se hwra tis EEC kai meta stin US, katw apo poies proipothesis theorite katikos exeterikou ? (ii) Orismenoi apo emas ehoun parei anavoli ws diaprepontes Ellines Erevnites tou exwterikou. Poso tha yperitisoume otan parousiastoume ? Na minoume ektos stratevmatos mehri ta 34 hronia. #7------------------------------------------------------------------ 1.Ellhnas ergazomenos (oxi akoma monimos katoikos ejoterikoy) sto ejoteriko (oxi eyroph) eixe hdh dikaioma metoikesias stis 18/2/93, xoris omos na to xrhsimopoihsei (symfona me pistopoihtiko ths sxetikhs presbeias) 2.Efyge apo thn parapano xora stis 26/2/93, paramenontas sto ejoteriko (sfragides allon xoron sto diabathrio) mexri kai 3/4/93. 3. Apo 4/4/93 mexri 1/4/94 synexise na paremenei sto ejoteriko san toyristas h' episkeptomenos syggeneis toy (xoris na ergazetai kai xoris adeia paramonhs), alla dystyxos se xores poy den sfragizoyn diabathria [EOK]. Etsi, oi mones apodeijeis oti paremene sto ejoteriko einai a) oti san anypotaktos den mporoyse na gyrisei sthn Ellada, kai b) oti h visa kai to eisithrio gia epistrofh sth xora poy ergazotan prin #11------------------------------------------------------------------ Ti provlepei o isxuwv vomos gia tous avupotaktous strateusns. Mporouv va kavouv tmnmatikn 0nteia? Ti prostima n kurwseis ev gevei epibalovtai? O YPE0A se prosfatn suvevteujn se A0nvaikn efnmerida eipe pws to upourgeio tou etoimazei vomosxedio pou 0a luvei oristika to 0ema twv avupotaktwv. Se poia kateu0unsn problepetai va givouv ru0miseis kai pote 0a isxusouv? #15------------------------------------------------------------------ Telika oi thitia poso diarkei gia ta tria swmata? Exomiothike n oxi; #18------------------------------------------------------------------ Ti eipe o k. Arsenis stis 5 Feb. 1995 stin thleorasi? Poio einai to neo sxedio nomou gia tous anypotaktous? Pote ua paei sti bouli gia na yifistei? O nomos gia diaprepeis epistimones 1768/88 isxuei os ta 32? Ti isxyei meta? Den mporeis na diapreyeis meta ta 32? Giati otan kataueteis (an ta katafereis) ta xartia sou gia diprephs den sou lene "Den esai" or "Eisai" diaprephs afou auto tous rotas alla sou apantane apla "eisai ekpro9esmos" afou kanane oti mporousane gia na se kauisterisoune? Apo pote exoun kai hmerominia lixis oi nomoi? Pou dimosievontai oi nomoi kai ta proedrika diatagmata sxetika me tin ppalagi apo ti 9itia? Pou prepei na ginoume sindromites? Poia enai i WWW page tou Ellinikou stratou? Mporei ena stratologiko grafeio na steilei gramma sto exoteriko? ---------------------- ============= TELOS TOU ARQROU =============