From dm36@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Tue May 20 14:27:00 1997 Reply-To: "Dimitra A. Mangoura" Sender: The Hellenic Discussion List Subject: Euxaristies kai ubreis To: HELLAS@LISTS.PSU.EDU Krima pou dev upnrxe e-mail stis ateleiwtes ekeives foitntikes suveleuseis, opou deivopa0ousame mexri va orisoume prwtomilies kai deuteromilies kai va akousoume topo0etnseis. Akougovtas tis twrives topo0etnseis mou lu0nkav arketes apories kai ara tis euxaristies mou. Ybris ntav n mn apodosn prepousas timns kai sebasmou stous 0eous. Dnladn, stn 0esn tou ubrizomevou ntav o 0eos, stn 0esn tou ubristn o ligoteros 0vntos. Apo tnv alln to gelio proerxotav -kata tov Aristofavn toulaxistov - apo uperboln tou pragmatikou, oxi apo ubri. Twra pws egive kai alla3e n ubris shmasia eivai favtazomai evdiaferov. Pio evdiaferov mou eivai ti exei katavtnsei va eivai brisia, pote xrnsimopoieitai, kai pws mporei va bgazei gelio. -Avatomikoi oroi: dev eivai avagkn va eisai giatros gia va exeis sebasmo gia tnv avatomia, px, "re arxidi" ti kavouv ta kanmeva, ka0ovtai kremasmeva, suxva talaipwrnmeva apo modes kai alla tiva kai ftiaxvouv ti prepei va ftia3ouv estw kai eav dev 0a douv pote to apotelesma. H de istologia tous eivai kataplnktikn. Paromoia gia "re mouvi", "re kwle" klp. Pa0nseis, kai pali dev eivai avagkn va exeis eidikes gvwseis gia va deis to alogo tns xrnsns tous sav brisies. Exw dei arketes dusarestes katastaseis kai tov povo pou fervouv mazi tous, sav sufilidika elkn, surrigia, rn3eis, kai akoma perissotero pa0nseis tou mualou (apo tis pio humbling empeiries eivai mia estw kai dileptn koubevta me sxizofrevn), gia va mn briskw ubri kai gelio se tetoies xrnseis twv orwv. Epaggelmata: poutava, xasapns, gia paromoious logous. Zwa kai futa paromoiws. Sumperifores: aei gamisou klp, paroti n sugkekrimevh pra3n exei xrnsimopoin0ei gia apeirous asxetous logous apo tov prwtarxiko tns, dev katalabaivw pws mporei va eivai brisia, av kai sigoura logw tns evtovns biologias pou tnv diepei mporei va fervei gelio. Paroti loipov egw exw 3emeivei apo opoiadnpote le3n gia brisia mias kai ligo polu peftei se mia apo tis pio pavw katngories, suxva exw va avtimetwpisw amesa, n' va parakolou0nsw avtalagn apopsewv opou n brisia eivai meso avtipara0esns. Auto loipov eivai to prwto snmeio pou avtiparati0emai avtidiametrika. To deutero snmeio eivai oti n brisia sa meso avtipara0esns eivai polu pio suxvn apo arseviko omilntn se 0nlukia omilntria, me to eidos tns brisias ka0orizomevo apo tis proswpikes 0eseis tou ka0evos sto ti eivai brisia. Oxi pws eivai n prwtn fora pou 3ekivnsa apo allou kai avaluwvtas brnka apo katw tnv upar3n duo metrwv gia ta duo fula sav tnv avagkaia kai ikavn suv0nkn gia tnv alusida twv gegovotwv. Auto eivai to deutero snmeio kai pavw sto opoio exw topo0etn0ei (kai 0a suvexisw). To trito snmeio eivai pws kai giati fervei n brisia gelio. Estw kai av mporei, epifaveiaka kai movo, va mplekovtai peristasiaka oi uperboles me tis brisies, mias kai merikes le3eis eivai ek twv proterwv xaranthrismeves sav brisies. Auto eivai pio suxvo avamesa se omofulous kai dn arsevikous. Sigoura avtilambavomai tnv upar3n ierarxias avamesa se mia omada omofulwv. Auto pou dev avtilambavomai eivai pws mporei n alogn sumperifora tou evos, va givetai diaskedasn tou allou, epiteivovtas parapera tnv dnmiourgia mias ierarxias, pou stnrizetai stn parapera meiwsn tou ndn sfallovtos. M' alla logia dev katalabaivw (kai oxi apo elleipsn eufuias) katw apo snmerives suv0nkes to protupa tou stul Kapetav Mixalns, opws avalutika tov edei3e o Kazavtzakns. Hrwas loipov o kapetavios apo tn mia, apo tnv alln eixe tous tzoutzedes tou, kai otav n0ele va diaskedasei estelve kai tous fwvazav. Kleivav autoi ta spitia tous, xairetousav tis oikogeveies tous -pote dev n3erav poses meres 0a kratouse n giortn- kai pngaivav va diaskedasouv tov kapetavio. Elpizw me ta (arketa) parapavw va e3ngnsa tis dikes mou tis 0eseis kai erwtnmata. A, n eleu0eria mas tou logou! -----end