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Mon Apr 3 23:53:22 1995
Se epikoivwvia mou me A0nva plnroforn0nka oti to upourgeio Amuvas ka0usternse kapws tis
apavtnseis epeidn perimeve tnv oloklnrwsn tns diadikasias epe3ergasias tou veou sxetikou
vomosxediou, pou avamevetai oti 0a 0esei se vees baseis merika apo ta 0emata pou e0ei3av
oi erwtnseis. To vomosxedio eivai sxedov etoimo kai 0a katate0ei stn bouln, apo oti
plnroforoume, evtos mias-duo ebdomadwv.
Etsi loipov: a) To keimevo tou 0a mas do0ei kai se psnfiakn morfn gia va mpei sto diktuo,
kai b) 0a givei n epe3ergasia twv apavtnsewv me basn ta vea dedomeva kai 0a mas do0oun gia
posting oi apavtnseis gia osa erwtnmata dev kaluptovtai me profavn tropo apo to keimevo
tou vomosxediou.
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(Oles oi erwthseis akolou9oun parakatw, meta apo to "mail form")
Parakalw steilte mou oti erwthseis exete pou sas apasxoloun epi tou 9ematos kai 9a tis mazepsw oles na tis prow9hsw sto Grafeio Typou pou se synergasia me armodious foreis tns Elladas tha etoimasoun eidiko paketo apantisewn gia ta paidia tou InterNet.
MONO oi erwthseis pou 9a staloun apo emena sto pro3eneio xwris anafora onomatwn.
Oles oi erwthseis sas prepei na el9oun to argotero Sunday, 12-Feb-95
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Gia osous dei3ate endiaferon gia to STRATIWTIKO 9ema, parakalw diabaste. Epi pros9etws, olo ayto to mail exei topo9eth9h kai sth "Stratiwtikh" selida sto HELLAS_WWW ( http://www.greece.org/hellas ). Periexomena: A. Genika, pws pragmatopoih9hke ayth h energeia. B. Anoikto gramma pros tous ypey9ynous C. Proswpikes erwthseis A. ========================= Exw labei dekades erwthseis kai 3odepsa poly xrono gia aythn thn ypo9esi. Pistevw na bgh se kati kalo gia olous pou exoun problhmata me to stratiwtiko 9ema. Sas grafw loipon genika ti synebei tis teleytaies dyo-tris ebdomades. Me ta grammata pou labainoume mesw tou HELLAS_WWW, hl9ame se epafh me antiprwsopo tou Grafeiou Tupou Ottabas. To Grafeio Tupou exei thn kalh 9elhsi na dhmiourgh9h ena FAQ gia stratiwtika 9emata me engyres apanthseis. Etsi mazepsa oles tis erwthseis kai prow9h9ountai se armodious foreis tns Ellados oi opoioi tha etoimasoun eidiko paketo apanthsewn gia ta paidia tou InterNet. Qelw na epishmanw, oti ayth h prospa9eia einai gia dhmiourgia stratiwtikou FAQ kai fysika na paroume ameses apanthseis se ola ta erwthmata pou katete9etontai parakatw. Einai loipon gia PROSWPIKA stratiwtika 9emata yphresias/lypota3ias klp kai OXI gia stratiwtika 9emato apo pleyras Ellhnikhs E9nikhs Amynhs. H ypo9esi einai oti ayto pou anelaba na kanw egw, eprepe kanonika na to kanei kapios armodios. Den 9a yphrxe kalytero pragma ston kosmo, an eixame ena e-mail address pou kapios armodios apo to kratos 9a edeine engyres kai grhgores apanthseis se tetoia proswpika 9emata. Arxisa me to na prospa9hsw na prosferw mia boh9eia kai katalh3a na me bombardizoun me ena swro parapona kai ypodei3eis (oxi se mena) pros tous stratiwtikous ypey9ynous. Exw aporipsei polla mails dioti den ta brhka swsta gia to ti prospa9oume na kanoume. Sygnwmh gia ayto, oxi oti symfonw 'h diafonw me ayta pou grafate alla aplws einai e3w apo ta oria to ti prospa9oume na kanoume. Genika ta mails ta xwrisa se tris kathgories: 1. Ayta pou htan proswpikes erwthseis (sta genika) einai kai sth lista pou 9a staloun. 2. alla pou elegan se genika 9emata gia ton strato kai poso merolhptiko einai gia thn oikogeneia, stadiodromia, epanapatrismo klp. 3. Erwthseis gia Isoropia dynamewn sto Aigaio, polemiko yliko, yfalokripides, 12 milia, klp. To (1) apotelei oles tis parakatw erwthseis. Opws hl9an se emena ta mails, ta kate9esa. To (2) einai proswpikes gnwmes tou ka9enos kai oxi erwthseis. Swstes 'h lan9asmenes, o ka9e enas exei thn gnwmh tou. H ypo9esh omws einai "ti leei o nomos" gia thn ka9e eidikh periptwsi tou ka9enos. Ayto to 9ema (2) mporei na syzhth9h alou. To (3) aforei Ellhnika e9nika 9emata pou kai na 9elame den 9a eixame apanthsi. Sta dyo teleytaia sas apanthsa me proswpiko, kai merikoi mou steilate allo mhnhma me proswpikes sas erwthseis. Symperasmata: 1. Apo ta tosa polla mails pou elaba, deixnei oti to stratiwtiko einai ena sobaro 9ema pou apasxolei polous Ellhnes tou e3wterikou, kai krataei episthmones kai mh, makria apo thn patrida. 2. Den yparxoun safeis, engyres apofaseis kai kanonoismoi pou na einai eykola prosytoi na tous doun oloi. Giati? den 3erw! 3. Ayto to FAQ pou 9a prokhpsh, mazi me alles apanthseis pou oi ypey9ynoi 9ewrhsoun kataleles, isws na ginei ena fyladio gia eykolh xrhsi apo olous. 4. Qa prospa9hsw na kanw energeia gia na mph kapios ypey9ynos kai na apantaei kat'ey9eian se stratiwtika 9emata. Dhladh na kanoume set-up ena e-mail address gia ayton ton skopo kai etsi oi apanthseis na einai engyres kai grhgores. 5. Isws akomh kai mporesoume kai kanoume set-up ena "official Web site" gia genika 9emata tou Ellhnismou. Kalh tyxh se olous pou kate9esan erwthseis. Qa sas karthsw olous enhmerous, mesw ths listas gia thn proodo oso afora tis erwthseis sas. Pistevw na exoume grhgora apanthseis. __|__~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanos (apo perixwra Leykou Oikou ) | ~~~~~~~~~~~ thanos@vlsi.gsfc.nasa.gov ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HELLAS_W3 http://www.greece.org/hellas *** Ta parakatw enai akribws antigrafa apo mail pou elaba. Egw aplws hmoun o mesazontas gia th prow9hsi olwn twn erwthsewn stous armodious. Egw kai ta paidia pou exoume analabei th synthrhsi tou HELLAS_WWW prospa9oume na prosferoume tis yphresies mas stis anagkes tou Ellhnismou ths diasporas. **** B. ANOIKTO GRAMMA =========================== Autn tn stigmn uparxouv xiliades avpotaktoi sto e3wteriko twv opoiwv to movo adiknma eivai pws prospa0ouv va teleiwsouv to didaktoriko tous. Ta voumera eivai adiayeusta. Polutexveio = 5 xrovia Master = 2 xrovia Didaktoriko = 4 xrovia Suvolo =11 xrovia Auta eivai ta voumera gia tis Hvwmeves Politeies stnv kalutern periptwsn. Snmera o vomos problepei pws "osoi diaprepouv se epistnmovikes ergasies kai ereuves" 'n osoi "epitelouv ergo e0vikns snmasias (!) Xiliades Ellnves stelvouv ta xartia tous gia va diabastouv apo av0rwpous pou dev mporouv va apofav0ouv gia tnv snmasia tous kai ta aporiptouv mazika dixws va divouv KAMMIA aitiolognsn sxetika me pio kommati tou vomou parabiazouv! Ma0nmatika to Ypourgeio Amuvas odngnse kai odngei stnv avupota3ia xiliades Ellnves oi opoioi exouv suvagwvistei sklnra me tous kaluterous gia va kerdisouv mia 0esn sta kalutera ekpaideutika idrumata tou kosmou. Oi Ellnves autoi DEN 0elouv va apallagouv apo tov strato. 0ELOYN aplws va oloklnrwsouv tis spoudes tous kai va epistreyouv me to kefali ynla gia va upnretnsouv tnv patrida tous ev stoln alla kai meta to telos tns 0nteias sav epistnmoves. Oi xiliades Ellnves avupotaktoi sto e3wteriko DEN mporouv va kleisouv dromous kai va kavouv katalnyeis dnmosiwv ktiriwv. Isws gia touto kai va tous apogoreuetai va douv tous nlikiwmevous goveis tous, isws gia auto tous apagoreuetai va douv tous agapnmevous pou afnsav pisw stnv patrida. Tous epitrepetai parado3ws va ynfisouv se e0vikes ekloges (ekei pou metriouvtai ta koukia ...) To erwtnma pou kaleitai va apavtnsei n ngesia twv evoplwv duvamewv stnv Ellada eivai zntnma dikaiosuvns kai zntnma e0vikns asfaleias: 1) Sto ovoma poias dikaiosuvns exei katadikastei se e3oria eva kommati tns Ellnvikns veolaias epeidn aplws epi0umei me dikous tou kopous kai mox0ous va spoudasei kai meta va oloklnrwsei tis stratiwtikes tou upoxrewseis stnv patrida; Sto ovoma poias dikaiosuvns xiliades paidia dev mporouv oute kav va douv tous arrwstous goveis tous; 2) To zntnma tns E0vikns asfaleias eivai snmera akoma pio poluploko apo to posoi kratave eva M1 oplo sta xeria tous se mia skopia kai ka0arizovtas patates. Exei va kavei me tnv ikavotnta mias xwras va avptu3ei kai va upostnri3ei vees texvologies oi opoies 0a brouv efarmogn sta oplika sustnmata, alla akoma perissotero 0a mporesouv va bon0nsouv stnv avtagwvistikotnta mias xwras stov oikovomiko tomea. H Tourkia perusi movo, edwse 7,000 upotrofies, plnrws kaluptwvtas didaktra kai e3oda diabiwsns, ta opoia ftavouv me tis pio suvtnrntikes ektimnseis ta 15.000 dollaria dnladn snmerives 3.750.000 draxmes ava etos gia ola ta etn twv metaptuxiakwv spoudwv. To Ellnviko Ypourgeio Amuvas kalei tous Ellnves didaktorikous foitntes kai mellovtikous epistnmoves oi opoioi dev sterouv oti mia draxmn apo tov kratiko proupologismo, alla avti0etws lambavouv gvwseis "uyistns e0vikns snmasias" (gia va xrnsimopoinsw kai to gramma tou vomou) va peta3ouv sta skoupidia tnv epevdusn gia to mellov tns xwras. Prokaloume to Ypourgeio Amuvas va ar0ei pavw apo to katesthmeno kai va dwsei mia evtimn apavtnsn avalmbavovtas tnv eu0uvn twv suvepeiwv. C. ERWTHSEIS ========================= #1------------------------------------------------------------------ Eimai 29 xronwn (9/65) kai gennithika stis HPA apo Ellhnes goneis (o pateras mou htan hdh Amerikanos poliths otan gennithika egw kai h mhtera mou egine Amerikanida poliths dyo xronia meta). H erwthsh einai: poso kairo tha paw fantaros ean paw Ellada kai ti prepei na kanw gia na kanwnisw auto to zhthma; Ti xartia xreiazontai apo tis proxenikes arxes, klp. To problhma pou exw einai oti exw akousei polles kai diaforetikes apantiseis se auto to erwtima apo diafores epishmes kai anepishmes Ellhnikes phges. Pia einai h alhtheia; #2------------------------------------------------------------------ An kapoios exei upiretisei se summaxiko strato, kai tautoxronws einai KAI metanastis (Green card, upikootita,klp.), einai upoxrewmenos na upiretisei kai ti mama Ellada? #3------------------------------------------------------------------ Poies diadikasies yparxoun gia na parei kapoios exemption ws diaprepeis episthmonas? #4------------------------------------------------------------------ Ego exo genh8ei edo sthn amerikh apo ellhnes goneis.Exo amerikanikh ypoikothta,amerikaniko diabathrio kai ola ta synafh. Efuga apo edo otan hmoun 6 kai gyrisa 18.Sthn ellada den mou afhnan oute diploma na bgalo epeidei den eixa ellhnikhh tautothta(ari8mo mhtroou)Me liga logia den eimai gramenos pou8ena sthn ellada kai eidika statologia.Na shmio8ei oti epeidei eixa problhma gia na bgo apo thn ellada giati den eixa oute adeia paramonhs phra xarti apo thn stratologia pou elege oti den eimai gramenos sta mhtroa arenon.Ti ginetai sthn periptosh mou otan 8elhso na guriso ellada gia diakopes alla kai gia panta;;; #5------------------------------------------------------------------ Se dyo mines parousiazomai Ellada gia fantaros kai tha ektimousa apanthseis stis exeis erwthseis: 1) Poia i metaxeirhsh atomwn me didaktorika sto strato (sthn diki mou periptwsh didaktoriko se theoritikh physikh)? Pairnoun antistoixes eidikothtes i to didaktoriko ousiastika agnohtai? Teleutaia akousa oti ta pragmata exoun allaxei pros to kalitero sto thema auto. Einai alitheia? 2) Posh thiteia ypiretoun atoma me ena paidi? Prepei to paidi na einai dilwmeno sthn Ellada i arkei to metafrasmeno sto proxenio pistopoihtiko genisews? Ti energeis prepei na kanw sxetika me to thema auto prin parousiastw? Einai meiwmenes oi adeies kai genika poia i metaxeirish atomwn pou ypiretoun meiwmenh thiteia? #6------------------------------------------------------------------ Vasika ehw 2 erwtiseis gia stratiwtikhs thitias : (i) Prosfata (Dekemvrios 1994) anakoinwthike oti osi einai monimoi katikoi exwterikou kai ehoun genithi meta to 1969 (an thimame kala) tha ipiretisoun 6 mhnes. Ithela na rwtisw pios theorite monimos katikos exwterikou. Einai monos aftos pou ehei green card i mipos kai osi ehoun visa ergasias (p.h. J1). Epishs an a kapoios ezise kapoio hroniko diasthma se hwra tis EEC kai meta stin US, katw apo poies proipothesis theorite katikos exeterikou ? (ii) Orismenoi apo emas ehoun parei anavoli ws diaprepontes Ellines Erevnites tou exwterikou. Poso tha yperitisoume otan parousiastoume ? na minoume ektos stratevmatos mehri ta 34 hronia. #7------------------------------------------------------------------ 1.Ellhnas ergazomenos (oxi akoma monimos katoikos ejoterikoy) sto ejoteriko (oxi eyroph) eixe hdh dikaioma metoikesias stis 18/2/93, xoris omos na to xrhsimopoihsei (symfona me pistopoihtiko ths sxetikhs presbeias) 2.Efyge apo thn parapano xora stis 26/2/93, paramenontas sto ejoteriko (sfragides allon xoron sto diabathrio) mexri kai 3/4/93. 3. Apo 4/4/93 mexri 1/4/94 synexise na paremenei sto ejoteriko san toyristas h' episkeptomenos syggeneis toy (xoris na ergazetai kai xoris adeia paramonhs), alla dystyxos se xores poy den sfragizoyn diabathria [EOK]. Etsi, oi mones apodeijeis oti paremene sto ejoteriko einai a) oti san anypotaktos den mporoyse na gyrisei sthn Ellada, kai b) oti h visa kai to eisithrio gia epistrofh sth xora poy ergazotan prin ekdoqhkan se allh xora EOK ektos Ellados. 4.Stis 2/4/94 epestrepse sth xora poy ergazotan prohgoymena, opoy kai paramenei ergazomenos synexos toylaxiston mexri shmera 2/2/95.. Shmeionetai oti sth xora sthn opoia ergazotan/ergazetai den dinontai adeies ergasias/paramonhs ep aoriston (den yparxei antistoixo ths prasinhs kartas), kai synepos akomh kai oi ellhnes monimoi katoikoi sth xora ayth pairnoyn ton xarakthrismo ayto, apo thn presbeia, meta apo kapoies ananeoseis ths ethsias adeias ergasias.. Me bash ta parapano, dikaioytai na entaxqei stis diatajeis ths teleytaias stratologikhs apofashs gia toys metanastes (15/12/94) ? #8------------------------------------------------------------------ Why doesn't the Greek government resolve once and for all this old issue of people who live and work abroad and cannot serve the army for various family or career reasons? You got the sons and nephews of ministers serving in 'international organizations' like UNESCO and OECD, but what about the community of excellence of world-class professionals in institutes and universities around the world? Aren't they representatives of the country also? The scientists, engineers and intellectuals who are respected by their colleagues, aren't they the ones who can really contribute with their knowledge to our country's future? #9------------------------------------------------------------------ Is it possible to do the service in another NATO army? After all, we are supposed to be allies. I know that it sounds a bit strange but, for me, it would be better since I could keep in touch with my research and prospective employers. #10------------------------------------------------------------------ H anavolh mou elhkse stis 31-12-94. Prokeitai gia anavolh gia metaptuhiakes spoudes. Phga sto prokseneio gia ananewsh diavathriou kai den thn ekanan. Eipan oti eprepe na eiha paei prin thm lhkskh ths anavolhs, dhladh mehri kai ton Dekembrh. Se afth thn periptwsh tha mou eihan ananewsei to diavathrio gia ena akoma xrono. Einai apoluta akrives afto? afou an eiha paei prin ena mhna tha ginotane, giati na mhn mporw kai twra? Auth einai h erwthsh mou, opwss kai ti luseis uparhoun twra. #11------------------------------------------------------------------ Ti provlepei o isxuwv vomos gia tous avupotaktous strateusns. Mporouv va kavouv tmnmatikn 0nteia? Ti prostima n kurwseis ev gevei epibalovtai? O YPE0A se prosfatn suvevteujn se A0nvaikn efnmerida eipe pws to upourgeio tou etoimazei vomosxedio pou 0a luvei oristika to 0ema twv avupotaktwv. Se poia kateu0unsn problepetai va givouv ru0miseis kai pote 0a isxusouv? #12------------------------------------------------------------------ An upo0esoume oti exeis anabolh a xronia gia ena ptuxio, pairneis auto to ptuxio se b (b
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