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Nees plhrofories ginontai post edw...
Mon Apr 3 23:53:22 1995
Se epikoivwvia mou me A0nva plnroforn0nka oti to upourgeio Amuvas ka0usternse kapws tis
apavtnseis epeidn perimeve tnv oloklnrwsn tns diadikasias epe3ergasias tou veou sxetikou
vomosxediou, pou avamevetai oti 0a 0esei se vees baseis merika apo ta 0emata pou e0ei3av
oi erwtnseis. To vomosxedio eivai sxedov etoimo kai 0a katate0ei stn bouln, apo oti
plnroforoume, evtos mias-duo ebdomadwv.
Etsi loipov: a) To keimevo tou 0a mas do0ei kai se psnfiakn morfn gia va mpei sto diktuo,
kai b) 0a givei n epe3ergasia twv apavtnsewv me basn ta vea dedomeva kai 0a mas do0oun gia
posting oi apavtnseis gia osa erwtnmata dev kaluptovtai me profavn tropo apo to keimevo
tou vomosxediou.
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(Oles oi erwthseis akolou9oun parakatw, meta apo to "mail form")
Parakalw steilte mou oti erwthseis exete pou sas apasxoloun epi tou 9ematos kai 9a tis mazepsw oles na tis prow9hsw sto Grafeio Typou pou se synergasia me armodious foreis tns Elladas tha etoimasoun eidiko paketo apantisewn gia ta paidia tou InterNet.
MONO oi erwthseis pou 9a staloun apo emena sto pro3eneio xwris anafora onomatwn.
Oles oi erwthseis sas prepei na el9oun to argotero Sunday, 12-Feb-95
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Gia osous dei3ate endiaferon gia to STRATIWTIKO 9ema, parakalw diabaste.
Epi pros9etws, olo ayto to mail exei topo9eth9h kai sth "Stratiwtikh"
selida sto HELLAS_WWW ( http://www.greece.org/hellas ).
Periexomena:
A. Genika, pws pragmatopoih9hke ayth h energeia.
B. Anoikto gramma pros tous ypey9ynous
C. Proswpikes erwthseis
A. =========================
Exw labei dekades erwthseis kai 3odepsa poly xrono gia aythn thn
ypo9esi. Pistevw na bgh se kati kalo gia olous pou exoun problhmata
me to stratiwtiko 9ema. Sas grafw loipon genika ti synebei tis
teleytaies dyo-tris ebdomades.
Me ta grammata pou labainoume mesw tou HELLAS_WWW, hl9ame se epafh me
antiprwsopo tou Grafeiou Tupou Ottabas. To Grafeio Tupou exei thn
kalh 9elhsi na dhmiourgh9h ena FAQ gia stratiwtika 9emata me engyres
apanthseis. Etsi mazepsa oles tis erwthseis kai prow9h9ountai se
armodious foreis tns Ellados oi opoioi tha etoimasoun eidiko paketo
apanthsewn gia ta paidia tou InterNet.
Qelw na epishmanw, oti ayth h prospa9eia einai gia dhmiourgia
stratiwtikou FAQ kai fysika na paroume ameses apanthseis se ola ta
erwthmata pou katete9etontai parakatw. Einai loipon gia PROSWPIKA
stratiwtika 9emata yphresias/lypota3ias klp kai OXI gia stratiwtika
9emato apo pleyras Ellhnikhs E9nikhs Amynhs.
H ypo9esi einai oti ayto pou anelaba na kanw egw, eprepe kanonika na
to kanei kapios armodios. Den 9a yphrxe kalytero pragma ston kosmo,
an eixame ena e-mail address pou kapios armodios apo to kratos 9a
edeine engyres kai grhgores apanthseis se tetoia proswpika 9emata.
Arxisa me to na prospa9hsw na prosferw mia boh9eia kai katalh3a na
me bombardizoun me ena swro parapona kai ypodei3eis (oxi se mena) pros
tous stratiwtikous ypey9ynous. Exw aporipsei polla mails dioti den ta
brhka swsta gia to ti prospa9oume na kanoume. Sygnwmh gia ayto, oxi
oti symfonw 'h diafonw me ayta pou grafate alla aplws einai e3w apo ta
oria to ti prospa9oume na kanoume.
Genika ta mails ta xwrisa se tris kathgories:
1. Ayta pou htan proswpikes erwthseis (sta genika) einai kai sth lista
pou 9a staloun.
2. alla pou elegan se genika 9emata gia ton strato kai poso merolhptiko
einai gia thn oikogeneia, stadiodromia, epanapatrismo klp.
3. Erwthseis gia Isoropia dynamewn sto Aigaio, polemiko yliko,
yfalokripides, 12 milia, klp.
To (1) apotelei oles tis parakatw erwthseis. Opws hl9an se emena ta
mails, ta kate9esa.
To (2) einai proswpikes gnwmes tou ka9enos kai oxi erwthseis. Swstes
'h lan9asmenes, o ka9e enas exei thn gnwmh tou. H ypo9esh omws einai
"ti leei o nomos" gia thn ka9e eidikh periptwsi tou ka9enos. Ayto to
9ema (2) mporei na syzhth9h alou.
To (3) aforei Ellhnika e9nika 9emata pou kai na 9elame den 9a eixame
apanthsi.
Sta dyo teleytaia sas apanthsa me proswpiko, kai merikoi mou steilate
allo mhnhma me proswpikes sas erwthseis.
Symperasmata:
1. Apo ta tosa polla mails pou elaba, deixnei oti to stratiwtiko einai
ena sobaro 9ema pou apasxolei polous Ellhnes tou e3wterikou, kai
krataei episthmones kai mh, makria apo thn patrida.
2. Den yparxoun safeis, engyres apofaseis kai kanonoismoi pou na einai
eykola prosytoi na tous doun oloi. Giati? den 3erw!
3. Ayto to FAQ pou 9a prokhpsh, mazi me alles apanthseis pou oi
ypey9ynoi 9ewrhsoun kataleles, isws na ginei ena fyladio gia eykolh
xrhsi apo olous.
4. Qa prospa9hsw na kanw energeia gia na mph kapios ypey9ynos kai na
apantaei kat'ey9eian se stratiwtika 9emata. Dhladh na kanoume set-up
ena e-mail address gia ayton ton skopo kai etsi oi apanthseis na einai
engyres kai grhgores.
5. Isws akomh kai mporesoume kai kanoume set-up ena "official Web site"
gia genika 9emata tou Ellhnismou.
Kalh tyxh se olous pou kate9esan erwthseis. Qa sas karthsw olous
enhmerous, mesw ths listas gia thn proodo oso afora tis erwthseis sas.
Pistevw na exoume grhgora apanthseis.
__|__~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanos (apo perixwra Leykou Oikou )
| ~~~~~~~~~~~ thanos@vlsi.gsfc.nasa.gov
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Ta parakatw enai akribws antigrafa apo mail pou elaba. Egw aplws hmoun
o mesazontas gia th prow9hsi olwn twn erwthsewn stous armodious. Egw kai
ta paidia pou exoume analabei th synthrhsi tou HELLAS_WWW prospa9oume na
prosferoume tis yphresies mas stis anagkes tou Ellhnismou ths diasporas.
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B. ANOIKTO GRAMMA ===========================
Autn tn stigmn uparxouv xiliades avpotaktoi sto e3wteriko twv opoiwv
to movo adiknma eivai pws prospa0ouv va teleiwsouv to didaktoriko tous.
Ta voumera eivai adiayeusta.
Polutexveio = 5 xrovia
Master = 2 xrovia
Didaktoriko = 4 xrovia
Suvolo =11 xrovia
Auta eivai ta voumera gia tis Hvwmeves Politeies stnv kalutern periptwsn.
Snmera o vomos problepei pws "osoi diaprepouv se epistnmovikes ergasies
kai ereuves" 'n osoi "epitelouv ergo e0vikns snmasias (!)
Xiliades Ellnves stelvouv ta xartia tous gia va diabastouv apo av0rwpous
pou dev mporouv va apofav0ouv gia tnv snmasia tous kai ta aporiptouv
mazika dixws va divouv KAMMIA aitiolognsn sxetika me pio kommati tou
vomou parabiazouv!
Ma0nmatika to Ypourgeio Amuvas odngnse kai odngei stnv avupota3ia xiliades
Ellnves oi opoioi exouv suvagwvistei sklnra me tous kaluterous gia va
kerdisouv mia 0esn sta kalutera ekpaideutika idrumata tou kosmou.
Oi Ellnves autoi DEN 0elouv va apallagouv apo tov strato. 0ELOYN aplws
va oloklnrwsouv tis spoudes tous kai va epistreyouv me to kefali ynla gia
va upnretnsouv tnv patrida tous ev stoln alla kai meta to telos tns
0nteias sav epistnmoves.
Oi xiliades Ellnves avupotaktoi sto e3wteriko DEN mporouv va kleisouv
dromous kai va kavouv katalnyeis dnmosiwv ktiriwv. Isws gia touto kai va
tous apogoreuetai va douv tous nlikiwmevous goveis tous, isws gia auto
tous apagoreuetai va douv tous agapnmevous pou afnsav pisw stnv patrida.
Tous epitrepetai parado3ws va ynfisouv se e0vikes ekloges (ekei pou
metriouvtai ta koukia ...)
To erwtnma pou kaleitai va apavtnsei n ngesia twv evoplwv duvamewv stnv
Ellada eivai zntnma dikaiosuvns kai zntnma e0vikns asfaleias:
1) Sto ovoma poias dikaiosuvns exei katadikastei se e3oria eva kommati
tns Ellnvikns veolaias epeidn aplws epi0umei me dikous tou kopous kai
mox0ous va spoudasei kai meta va oloklnrwsei tis stratiwtikes tou
upoxrewseis stnv patrida; Sto ovoma poias dikaiosuvns xiliades
paidia dev mporouv oute kav va douv tous arrwstous goveis tous;
2) To zntnma tns E0vikns asfaleias eivai snmera akoma pio poluploko apo
to posoi kratave eva M1 oplo sta xeria tous se mia skopia kai
ka0arizovtas patates. Exei va kavei me tnv ikavotnta mias xwras va
avptu3ei kai va upostnri3ei vees texvologies oi opoies 0a brouv efarmogn
sta oplika sustnmata, alla akoma perissotero 0a mporesouv va bon0nsouv
stnv avtagwvistikotnta mias xwras stov oikovomiko tomea.
H Tourkia perusi movo, edwse 7,000 upotrofies, plnrws kaluptwvtas
didaktra kai e3oda diabiwsns, ta opoia ftavouv me tis pio suvtnrntikes
ektimnseis ta 15.000 dollaria dnladn snmerives 3.750.000 draxmes ava etos
gia ola ta etn twv metaptuxiakwv spoudwv.
To Ellnviko Ypourgeio Amuvas kalei tous Ellnves didaktorikous foitntes
kai mellovtikous epistnmoves oi opoioi dev sterouv oti mia draxmn apo tov
kratiko proupologismo, alla avti0etws lambavouv gvwseis "uyistns e0vikns
snmasias" (gia va xrnsimopoinsw kai to gramma tou vomou) va peta3ouv sta
skoupidia tnv epevdusn gia to mellov tns xwras.
Prokaloume to Ypourgeio Amuvas va ar0ei pavw apo to katesthmeno kai va
dwsei mia evtimn apavtnsn avalmbavovtas tnv eu0uvn twv suvepeiwv.
C. ERWTHSEIS =========================
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Eimai 29 xronwn (9/65) kai gennithika stis HPA apo Ellhnes goneis
(o pateras mou htan hdh Amerikanos poliths otan gennithika egw kai h
mhtera mou egine Amerikanida poliths dyo xronia meta).
H erwthsh einai: poso kairo tha paw fantaros ean paw Ellada kai ti
prepei na kanw gia na kanwnisw auto to zhthma; Ti xartia xreiazontai
apo tis proxenikes arxes, klp.
To problhma pou exw einai oti exw akousei polles kai diaforetikes
apantiseis se auto to erwtima apo diafores epishmes kai anepishmes
Ellhnikes phges. Pia einai h alhtheia;
#2------------------------------------------------------------------
An kapoios exei upiretisei se summaxiko strato, kai tautoxronws
einai KAI metanastis (Green card, upikootita,klp.), einai
upoxrewmenos na upiretisei kai ti mama Ellada?
#3------------------------------------------------------------------
Poies diadikasies yparxoun gia na parei kapoios exemption ws diaprepeis
episthmonas?
#4------------------------------------------------------------------
Ego exo genh8ei edo sthn amerikh apo ellhnes goneis.Exo amerikanikh
ypoikothta,amerikaniko diabathrio kai ola ta synafh. Efuga apo edo otan
hmoun 6 kai gyrisa 18.Sthn ellada den mou afhnan oute diploma na bgalo
epeidei den eixa ellhnikhh tautothta(ari8mo mhtroou)Me liga logia den
eimai gramenos pou8ena sthn ellada kai eidika statologia.Na shmio8ei oti
epeidei eixa problhma gia na bgo apo thn ellada giati den eixa oute adeia
paramonhs phra xarti apo thn stratologia pou elege oti den eimai gramenos
sta mhtroa arenon.Ti ginetai sthn periptosh mou otan 8elhso na guriso ellada
gia diakopes alla kai gia panta;;;
#5------------------------------------------------------------------
Se dyo mines parousiazomai Ellada gia fantaros kai tha ektimousa
apanthseis stis exeis erwthseis:
1) Poia i metaxeirhsh atomwn me didaktorika sto strato (sthn diki mou
periptwsh didaktoriko se theoritikh physikh)? Pairnoun antistoixes
eidikothtes i to didaktoriko ousiastika agnohtai? Teleutaia akousa
oti ta pragmata exoun allaxei pros to kalitero sto thema auto. Einai alitheia?
2) Posh thiteia ypiretoun atoma me ena paidi? Prepei to paidi na einai
dilwmeno sthn Ellada i arkei to metafrasmeno sto proxenio pistopoihtiko
genisews? Ti energeis prepei na kanw sxetika me to thema auto prin
parousiastw?
Einai meiwmenes oi adeies kai genika poia i metaxeirish atomwn
pou ypiretoun meiwmenh thiteia?
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Vasika ehw 2 erwtiseis gia stratiwtikhs thitias :
(i) Prosfata (Dekemvrios 1994) anakoinwthike oti osi einai monimoi
katikoi exwterikou kai ehoun genithi meta to 1969 (an thimame kala)
tha ipiretisoun 6 mhnes. Ithela na rwtisw pios theorite monimos
katikos exwterikou. Einai monos aftos pou ehei green card i mipos
kai osi ehoun visa ergasias (p.h. J1). Epishs an a kapoios ezise
kapoio hroniko diasthma se hwra tis EEC kai meta stin US, katw apo
poies proipothesis theorite katikos exeterikou ?
(ii) Orismenoi apo emas ehoun parei anavoli ws diaprepontes Ellines
Erevnites tou exwterikou. Poso tha yperitisoume otan parousiastoume ?
na minoume ektos stratevmatos mehri ta 34 hronia.
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1.Ellhnas ergazomenos (oxi akoma monimos katoikos ejoterikoy) sto ejoteriko
(oxi eyroph) eixe hdh dikaioma metoikesias stis 18/2/93, xoris omos na to
xrhsimopoihsei (symfona me pistopoihtiko ths sxetikhs presbeias)
2.Efyge apo thn parapano xora stis 26/2/93, paramenontas sto ejoteriko
(sfragides allon xoron sto diabathrio) mexri kai 3/4/93.
3. Apo 4/4/93 mexri 1/4/94 synexise na paremenei sto ejoteriko san
toyristas h' episkeptomenos syggeneis toy (xoris na ergazetai kai xoris
adeia paramonhs), alla dystyxos se xores poy den sfragizoyn diabathria [EOK].
Etsi, oi mones apodeijeis oti paremene sto ejoteriko einai
a) oti san anypotaktos den mporoyse na gyrisei sthn Ellada, kai
b) oti h visa kai to eisithrio gia epistrofh sth xora poy ergazotan prin
ekdoqhkan se allh xora EOK ektos Ellados.
4.Stis 2/4/94 epestrepse sth xora poy ergazotan prohgoymena, opoy kai
paramenei ergazomenos synexos toylaxiston mexri shmera 2/2/95..
Shmeionetai oti sth xora sthn opoia ergazotan/ergazetai den dinontai adeies
ergasias/paramonhs ep aoriston (den yparxei antistoixo ths prasinhs kartas),
kai synepos akomh kai oi ellhnes monimoi katoikoi sth xora ayth pairnoyn
ton xarakthrismo ayto, apo thn presbeia, meta apo kapoies ananeoseis ths
ethsias adeias ergasias..
Me bash ta parapano, dikaioytai na entaxqei stis diatajeis ths teleytaias
stratologikhs apofashs gia toys metanastes (15/12/94) ?
#8------------------------------------------------------------------
Why doesn't the Greek government resolve once and for all this
old issue of people who live and work abroad and cannot serve
the army for various family or career reasons?
You got the sons and nephews of ministers serving in 'international
organizations' like UNESCO and OECD, but what about the community
of excellence of world-class professionals in institutes and
universities around the world? Aren't they representatives of the
country also? The scientists, engineers and intellectuals who are
respected by their colleagues, aren't they the ones who can really
contribute with their knowledge to our country's future?
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Is it possible to do the service in another NATO army?
After all, we are supposed to be allies. I know that it sounds a bit
strange but, for me, it would be better since I could keep in touch
with my research and prospective employers.
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H anavolh mou elhkse stis 31-12-94. Prokeitai gia anavolh
gia metaptuhiakes spoudes. Phga sto prokseneio gia ananewsh
diavathriou kai den thn ekanan. Eipan oti eprepe na eiha
paei prin thm lhkskh ths anavolhs, dhladh mehri kai ton
Dekembrh. Se afth thn periptwsh tha mou eihan ananewsei to
diavathrio gia ena akoma xrono.
Einai apoluta akrives afto? afou an eiha paei prin ena mhna
tha ginotane, giati na mhn mporw kai twra?
Auth einai h erwthsh mou, opwss kai ti luseis uparhoun twra.
#11------------------------------------------------------------------
Ti provlepei o isxuwv vomos gia tous avupotaktous strateusns. Mporouv
va kavouv tmnmatikn 0nteia? Ti prostima n kurwseis ev gevei epibalovtai?
O YPE0A se prosfatn suvevteujn se A0nvaikn efnmerida eipe pws to upourgeio
tou etoimazei vomosxedio pou 0a luvei oristika to 0ema twv avupotaktwv.
Se poia kateu0unsn problepetai va givouv ru0miseis kai pote 0a isxusouv?
#12------------------------------------------------------------------
An upo0esoume oti exeis anabolh a xronia gia ena ptuxio,
pairneis auto to ptuxio se b (b
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